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skylar (wolfgirlpilled)
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@mkultra boo hoo nigger, kiwis get what they deserve
their idea of "alt tech unity" is trying to dox mods and prominent community members, then setting up a smear campaign against them to call them pedophiles

not only do they deserve to be deplatformed, they deserve to be railroaded with federal hate crime charges
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@skylar @mkultra "First they came for the Farms, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a kiwi"

g r e y
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@r000t @skylar @mkultra "First, the Farms came for us. Then they came for the Farms."
BSD/r000t
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@grey @mkultra @skylar I'm the exact sort of person the Farms targets. I have an unflattering ED page.

Not only do I feel that both have an absolute right to exist, but I also feel that they are the canary in the coal mine for civil liberties across the board.

Besides, show me one class of crime has been committed by Kiwifarms users that has not been committed by Twitter users.

g r e y
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@r000t @mkultra @skylar There's a difference between "having a right to exist", which is just a motte since that's not what anyone is talking about, and having a strong enough relationship to go to the mat for another site. KF has burnt those bridges, so while people might agree in theory that "they have a right to exist", no one is going to stick their necks out for them, and they only have themselves to blame for being in that situation.
BSD/r000t

@grey @mkultra @skylar If somebody has committed a crime, such as Joshua Moon, then they should be charged and given a fair and speedy trial before a jury of their peers.

If that's not doable, he and his users have the same 1A rights the rest of us do.

When we decide that people don't deserve the right to speak because they've burned too many bridges, or anything else that subjective, it's all over. If you randomly select 1,000 people and ask them where the line is, you'll get 1,000 different answers. And you only need so many to push the window a little bit more.

Being callous about this and reveling in it is whistling past the graveyard. I would sound this alarm just as hard if Hachyderm or Oliphant got this sort of treatment.

PonyPanda
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@r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar what are we talking about here? Josh isn't going to court as a defendant. People are talking about him suing Liz Fong Jones and I don't know what fucking case he even has to make. Tranny calls up Josh's friends and says "Josh is a bad person." How is that different than what KF is? How is Liz Fong Jones not also exercising "muh freeze peach?"

Josh wants to engage in litigation he can go ahead. I don't know what makes this some sort of existential battle for the soul of the free internet.
Salastil
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Its not limited to just calling people, the guy is consistently paying for, or DDOSing the site himself. It seems that this clown is doing a lot of the harassment stuff to vendors via phone and email so discovery would give a pretty good paper trail of his activities. If KF had the money, they have a pretty reasonable lawsuit, far more than any of the ones thrown against KF itself for sure.
PonyPanda
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@Salastil @r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar I'll wait until see the case against the tranny.
🌲>tfw can't snug klonoa IRL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
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Apparently Josh is refusing to sue according to TG messages, namely because some people involved (harassment targets IIRC) don't want it and he'd need $75k to sue anyway.
PonyPanda
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@PhenomX6 @r000t @Salastil @grey @mkultra @skylar lmao. The people involved don't want to go for this. Could it be that his "friends" helping him with the site don't actually like him?
Lichelord Godfrey
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@PonyPanda @PhenomX6 @r000t @Salastil @grey @mkultra @skylar see if he did a fundraiser for a lawsuit (difficult with how they come down so hard on this with how controlled finance is), I’d put in some coin.

I’m not going to associate with kiwifarms people beyond that, nor care about their welfare.

PonyPanda
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@lichelordgodfrey @PhenomX6 @r000t @Salastil @grey @mkultra @skylar I wouldn't and for very good reason. This reminds me too much of the case that got me interested in KiwiFarms to begin with. The Vic Mignogna case. It was a clear case of tortuous interference. It should have been an easy W. Vic got hundreds of thousands of dollars and a whole movement behind him.

And he lost.

I don't know how viable this case is and in the struggle for internet freedom, KiwiFarms is not a horse I will back.
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@PonyPanda @PhenomX6 @r000t @Salastil @grey @mkultra @skylar If they didn't like him, they wouldn't have helped him in the first place, dummy.
PonyPanda
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@coin @PhenomX6 @r000t @Salastil @grey @mkultra @skylar Josh has a habit of turning friends into enemies.

I was never his friend but I used to like him once.
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@PonyPanda @PhenomX6 @r000t @Salastil @grey @mkultra @skylar Why does everything have to be this or the other. People can be acquaintances without being a friend or foe. Simply business partners. You don't have to like the man.
PonyPanda
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@coin @PhenomX6 @r000t @Salastil @grey @mkultra @skylar so true. I don't know why I'm expected to be KF's friend in all this and why I'm not allowed to indulge in a bit of schadenfreude. I'm not KF's enemy. I'm not supporting Eliot Jones and I'm still waiting on PunishedD to give me some information to go off to better inform my assessment of Josh's claims.

Especially considering Josh is a retard.
BSD/r000t
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@coin
I'm sure there's no shortage of people who don't care for me one bit, but don't flip their shit when I boost their meme.

Could be any of you.
@PhenomX6 @PonyPanda @Salastil @grey @mkultra @skylar

🌲>tfw can't snug klonoa IRL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
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IMO it's more "it's not the hill they'll die on".
PonyPanda
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@PhenomX6 @coin @r000t @Salastil @grey @mkultra @skylar we don't even know who these people are. All we have to go off is Josh's claim that he had some solid people behind him. And Josh's claims aren't worth much.
PonyPanda
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@r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar fine. Show me what Eliot/Liz is doing. Josh's fag essay didn't really enlighten me.
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@PonyPanda @r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar We can't know for sure right now what exactly LFJ is doing without taking him to court and going through discovery. We can only make assumptions on the results.

Right now we know that the thread on LFJ has sources to posts LFJ himself has made making him out to be a rapist (at worst) or a very socially retarded person (at best).

We can guess that he is behind the DDoSing attacks but that's definitely not a 100% him. We can only take Josh's word from his business colleagues.

I see no reason to not believe Josh as he is, while you agree with me or not, very truthful.
PonyPanda
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@coin @r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar I can't see this thread and I can't see what the sources are. All manner of bullshit makes it on KiwiFarms. You're really reaching if you expect me to give Josh the benefit of the doubt here.
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@PonyPanda @r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar Well, right now the forum is down, so none of us can see it right now. You'll have to wait for the site to come back and check LFJ's thread.
PonyPanda
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@coin @r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar supposedly, Punished D has something to show me. But he can't yet.
BSD/r000t
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@coin
It's a bit hard for us to produce receipts on bad actors when the bad actors keep taking down the bin of receipts we keep on bad actors.
@PonyPanda @grey @mkultra @skylar

PonyPanda
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@r000t @coin @grey @mkultra @skylar given all the things Josh is accusing this person of and how much of a threat they seem to be, you'd think somebody would have kept the receipts somewhere that wasn't KF. As I said elsewhere, Keffals had a special page for them ready to go.
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@PonyPanda @r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar There's the thread OP on archive if you want to take a look https://archive.is/5XAFm
PonyPanda
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@coin @r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar for fuck's sake. I've just started to read it and it's already full of faggoty "I want to be an author" bullshit.

Just fucking lay out the facts. Nobody is paying you for this shit.
BSD/r000t
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@PonyPanda
And that's the other big thing I'd have done differently... Understanding who really needs swayed by any of these threads: Normies. You need a normie-friendly bullet-pointed list of specific, articulable bad acts by the person, in clean, objective, clinical language. Followed by sections for each, with detailed information presented without comment. Comments can come afterwards, but OP needs to read like a police report.

I've also noticed that KF is really good at burying the lede. There are lots of things in the Keffals OP that I would have put front and center if I was in a big PR battle.
@coin @grey @mkultra @skylar

PonyPanda
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@r000t @coin @grey @mkultra @skylar if you're asking for all the glory and protection of a (rare non-shitty) journalist at least carry yourself like one.
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@PonyPanda
Josh is not handling certain aspects of this nearly the way I would be handling it. For one, he hasn't simply made a torrent release of public KF content. Whether this is for strategic reasons is unclear.

@coin @grey @mkultra @skylar

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@r000t @PonyPanda He said he would do it when the site goes down permanently.
PonyPanda
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@r000t @coin @grey @mkultra @skylar how are you not understanding what Josh is about? Josh wants the monopoly on all this bullshit intrigue because it makes him relevant.